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their loss. An extremely accurate and damning indictment of the system they put into place.
Typo:

Oh, and PS:

'In any event, the doctor-author's implied indictment of the Welfare State (especially as it exists in the UK) was foreshadowed by Senator Patrick Moynihan in his well-known report way back in 1964 (when it was being prepared) and 1965 (when it was published): the effects of licentiousness and the not coincidental break-down of family structure.'

You must be aware that most of the planet's population are not American and mostly don't give a damn about some obscure senator and his equally obscure 'report'.
Oh, and PS:

'In any event, the doctor-author's implied indictment of the Welfare State (especially as it exists in the UK) was foreshadowed by Senator Patrick Moynihan in his well-known report way back in 1964 (when it was being prepared) and 1965 (when it was published): the effects of licentiousness and the not coincidental break-down of family structure.'

You must be aware that most the planet's population are not American and mostly don't give a damn about some obscure senator and his equally obscure 'report'.



'And the left-wing response is ... the same as it always is: ad hominem attacks are a great fall-back when you don't have substance on your side.'

Left wing? What are you on about? Not every one subscribes to the ridiculous left/right paradigm. Not every one is an ideologue.

'And the left-wing response is ... the same as it always is: ad hominem attacks are a great fall-back when you don't have substance on your side.'

It's a perfectly simple moral point. If you criticise others for claiming money from the state when you do so yourself you are Hoist with your own petard, are you not?

Ad hominem? Or maybe some fact checking and considering the source.

Nothing to do with the reductive, outdated left/right paradigm. (or should I call it ‘religion’?)
Huh. Reviewing the comments below, quite a few are ad hominem, rather than ad propositum.

In any event, the doctor-author's implied indictment of the Welfare State (especially as it exists in the UK) was foreshadowed by Senator Patrick Moynihan in his well-known report way back in 1964 (when it was being prepared) and 1965 (when it was published): the effects of licentiousness and the not coincidental break-down of family structure.

So the article as written makes good points which have themselves been made for decades.

And the left-wing response is ... the same as it always is: ad hominem attacks are a great fall-back when you don't have substance on your side.
Didn't The Doctor call the news of the world 'prole feed' ? Weird.
1. He is a doctor, and in the UK most of the health service is State-run. During his career, it was impossible to work in a prison as a doctor and not be employed by the State.

This is true. Although I am not sure what difference it makes. In this respect the prison system in the UK is no different to prison system in any other nation. Most countries do not contract out their prison health care system to private health care providers. My original point still stands. Dalrymple's role in the prison service was a minor part of his career. It was a secondary role. Psychiatric consultancy was his primary role.

2. He was not involved in the decision to move to a State-run healthcare system and cannot be blamed for this occurrence.

Straw man alert 1

3. I suspect he would prefer the healthcare system to be privately run - or, at any event, not State-run in the way that it is.

Straw man alert 2

4. He retired early in disgust at the way the system is run - in so doing he put his money where his mouth is, you might say.

No he didn't. He retired at the age of 55. He retired at the earliest time permissible. He states this explicitly in the interview cited in his Wikipedia entry.

5. He doesn't receive a pension, not yet being old enough. But he has paid into the system that will provide one for him.

Yes he does. Listen to the "Daniel Hannan interview" I mentioned below.

6. Benefiting from a system (albeit in return for work) does not preclude one's criticism of that system; arguably, the only people who can make proper criticism of the NHS (which Dalrymple has done over many years) are those within it. They, after all, know where the failings are - patients merely experience them.

This is absurd. Patients should not criticise the NHS? Does that apply to patients who were caught up in the Mid-Staffordshire scandal. What of investigative journalists who report on similar issues? One cannot criticise an organisation unless one is a part of it? So the only people who can criticise parliament are MPs? The only people who can criticise the media are journalists? I can see how that one would work for you.

7. Africa is a real place, and does not require ironic quote marks - as might, for instance, 'Narnia'.

Africa is a vast continent comprising approx 62 heterogenous counties. Which is why Dalrymple's vague references to time and place are so frustrating. It would help immensely if you could append a timeline to the books you publish on his behalf.
An objective party (i.e: his publisher) wrote the following:

" He is a doctor, and in the UK most of the health service is State-run. During his career, it was impossible to work in a prison as a doctor and not be employed by the State."

This is a mendacious misrepresentation of the facts. Dr Danirls/Dalrymple was an NHS consultant psychiatrist, working mainly with the general population. His experience in prison was very limited. 'Two afternoons a week.' in the words of the man himself.

I note that his editors/publishers are claiming that he was " a prison doctor and a psychiatrist', presumably to add credibility to his views on the criminal justice system.

As for his not being in receipt of a pension, he admitted that he was in an interview with Daniel Hannan, an event that was arranged by you: his publishers.

I imagine that for an ex editor of The News of the World misleading the public comes naturally.
@Private Sector Worker

'But, as you mentioned it: 'cui bono'? You ask. Well, the Daniels/Dalrymple household for a start. Have you ever worked outside of the public sector (in the UK, I mean, not 'Africa'. And how is the pension coming along? What impact has the financial crisis had on public sector pensions?)'

You'd have to ask Dr Dalrymple, but from reading him I think a fair answer to this would be:

1. He is a doctor, and in the UK most of the health service is State-run. During his career, it was impossible to work in a prison as a doctor and not be employed by the State.

2. He was not involved in the decision to move to a State-run healthcare system and cannot be blamed for this occurrence.

3. I suspect he would prefer the healthcare system to be privately run - or, at any event, not State-run in the way that it is.

4. He retired early in disgust at the way the system is run - in so doing he put his money where his mouth is, you might say.

5. He doesn't receive a pension, not yet being old enough. But he has paid into the system that will provide one for him.

6. Benefiting from a system (albeit in return for work) does not preclude one's criticism of that system; arguably, the only people who can make proper criticism of the NHS (which Dalrymple has done over many years) are those within it. They, after all, know where the failings are - patients merely experience them.

7. Africa is a real place, and does not require ironic quote marks - as might, for instance, 'Narnia'.

@Anya 'Is Theo still receiving a pension from the state?'

As he is not yet 65, he will not yet have received any State (or private) pension.

So the answer is: No.

But what was your point?
Is Theo still receiving a pension from the state?
The collapse of the Roman Empire all over again.The Intelligentia are not so intelligent after all.
Ill take pity on Far Too Politice

In 1780s US Marines attacked Tripoli Africa, WHY?
In plain English; Because the Tripoli government supported a business model that allowed robbery and enslavement of US citizens (non Muslims) on the high seas for PROFIT and COMMERCE. The Tripoli government enslaved white Christian Americans!! Well Uncle Sam didnt like that even though it had its own Nigger slaves for PROFIT and COMMERCE. Go away and think about that when you know why then you might learn something.

Today, 250 years later, USA has no slaves but Muslims still do, even in UK, and they still rob on the high seas Somalia. Go away and think about that when you know why then you might learn something.

In Mumbai hotel terrorist attacks the terrorists did not kill fellow Muslims. Go away and think about that when you know why then you might learn something.

I may add USA may attack Syria for killing its own citizens but will it attack North Korea for doing the same thing for years? Go away and think about that when you know why then you might learn something.
Put Mr. Dalrymple in the same league of intelligence and wisdom on evaluating problems created by the scum who represent the "above" from England and the USA, as Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell. The world would run like a finely tuned engine if these three were in charge instead of the brainless progressives that have shattered western society.
Get educated.
READ the Qoran!
"Heaven help us all because of Islam demands."

I'm sorry but what are you on about?
In Melbourne Australia an unemployed Jew paid his full unemployment benefit to his synagogue to reserve his seat. He was a bagman in taking black money out of Australia to Israel in 1990's he did 4 to 6 trips a year and was caught with quarter of million dollars.

In Adelaide Australia a group of unemployed pagans took upon themselves to get rid of, in their eyes, undesirables. Snowtown murders.

With your case the only connection with all is the benign socialist state.

With plague populations* in Arab states and the mass movement of unemployed Muslims seeking free unemployment benefits (and the right to have large families provided for) in the West the future is what Enoch Powell predicted.

Socialism as practiced in the West will be the downfall of Western Civilization.

*The 'Arab spring' is both delusional and illusional. It was started by unemployed university graduates unable to sell apples on the street. The iPhone is made in China because Apple can get 5000 engineers in a week let alone 30,000 factory fodder because they all want to improve their lot.

70+ years of rampant population growth at less than 30 years doubling in the Arab heartland has caused Maslowian angst without fulfillment. I have called it a 'Mouse Plague' elsewhere.
The unwanted and unneeded peoples is the revolution you see. USA & EU cannot provide them with welfare, work and soon sustenance. They will seek consolation, as all the poor, in their religion. Evidence of the future was shown in the $60 million destruction on Nauru when refugees were told the $5000 they paid to people smugglers would not give them unemployment benefits for life in Australia.

Heaven help us all because of Islam demands.
One could make the case for Islamic men who bring over their 4 wives and myriad children and camp on the welfare system. They are not in England to work but to suck the system dry. They do not assimilate and will never assimilate. They are the conquerors and will destroy western civilization in due course. Lets take a hard look upon their effects on the welfare system? Just after they are kicked out of country.
Beaton McGuire August 15, 2013 at 1:44 PM
"Bring back flogging, stocks and pillories."

Indeed. But don't forget to filter out all the masochists.
Bring back flogging, stocks and pillories.
"Over the years, I saw more and more Philpott-types in the hospital where I worked, at least in respect to their conduct toward women. Even more interesting is that I also saw more and more Philpott-type women, whose jealousy and possessiveness toward men manifested itself in precisely the same violent way"

He never claimed to be mentally ill either so this has nothing to do with the price of haddock either.

'Philpott-type women'

He wasn't a woman either. (or was he?)

Would you like to talk about the Irish connection now?

(why am I getting the feeling that you have no idea what you are talking about?)
Private Sector Worker August 12, 2013 at 12:20 AM
"At the height of the last (supposed) economic boom, in 2006, 2.9 million Britons of working age were allegedly too ill to work and were claiming sickness benefits. When the financial crisis broke in 2008, the government decided to investigate these claims. When it announced its intention, a third of the sick miraculously felt better straightaway and stopped making claims. Once the investigations began, only one in eight claimants turned out to be incapacitated to such an extent that he could not work."

What does this have to do with the 'Mick Philpott' case? He never claimed to be incapacitated.

But, as you mentioned it: 'cui bono'? You ask. Well, the Daniels/Dalrymple household for a start. Have you ever worked outside of the public sector (in the UK, I mean, not 'Africa'. And how is the pension coming along? What impact has the financial crisis had on public sector pensions?)
actually, let's talk candidly,

psychotherapy is still very much in fashion in the States. Read some Thomas Szasz. And your newspapers were replete with pseudo psychoanalysis of Adam Lanza,the 20-year-old who on December 14, 2012, fatally shot twenty children and six adult staff members in a mass murder at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Talking candidly is fun, isn't it? my suggestion is that you pop another Ritalin and clean up your own backyard.

and research the original story. Philpott's wife was a co-conspirator.
Let'sTalkCandidly August 10, 2013 at 4:35 PM
Philpott would not have been armed with guns in the US, you say. Ahh, but, a balm to my sense of justice, his wife and kids likely would have. British justice is a joke ~ As bad as things may get here in America, Britain has become a social basket case and should be an embarrassment to all proud Brits. One day they are cooing over royal babies, the next rationalizing and psychoanalyzing the behaviour of killers and rapists. I, too, thank my grandfather every day that he had the foresight to leave Britain for the US. His only mistake was not to stop there but to move on up here to Canada where we are still tied to the apron strings of sick, socialist Britain.
Jeffersonian,

'You folk have a sickness.'

You mean British folk? So if someone gets away with committing crime in the US (and no one would be foolish enough to deny that this happens) that means that the whole of the USA is 'abetting' them?

Or do you hold your own country to a lesser moral standard?
So. To make a long story short. Blah, blah blah, blah, blah de friggin blah. Criminal sociopath follows life of crime. England abets.
Test field wants me to type spermatic. You folk have a sickness.
Tess August 07, 2013 at 3:58 PM
'Lake worth - the story has a very Dickensian flavor.'

Then it is not without historical precedent.

'It's interesting you are interested in his mental health.'

As a psychiatrist the author of the article should be.


'One hundred years ago if a man drooled over a minor girl (or boy) we'd call him a dirty old man. '

I'm confused. What does this have to do with anything? Philpott is many things but he is not, as far as I am aware, a paedophile.

'Today, couched in psycothought we reach for deep Freudian impulses that seem to have a life of their own. '

Psychoanalysis was introduced in the late nineteenth century and is rapidly going out of fashion:
"The idea of psychoanalysis came into full prominence under Sigmund Freud. Sigmund Freud formulated his own theory of psychoanalysis in Vienna in the 1890s."

'The man beat, stabbed and exploited women and children (never mind burning them to death) '

And his female partner in crime? What was she? A kind of Stepford wife with no capacity to control her own destiny?
Drew Kelley August 07, 2013 at 2:51 PM

'That's not the question, the question is what does it say about society in the UK in general that this monster was not incarcerated for the rest of his natural life when he stabbed his girl-friend, and her mother, when he was just 21?'

Life is not a mandatory sentence for attempted murder in the UK.

Why is Andrea Yates not serving life for murder in the US?

'As an American, I am certainly saddened by the condition that "English" society has become; and can only thank the Heavens that my Irish (and other) fore-bearers decided to leave Europe behind, and cast their lot with this polyglot society of rebels.'

As an Irish American who applies collective guilt to citizens of other countries but not to yourself. Do you hold yourself responsible for the fact that other Irish Americans spent the last few decades raising money for the Irish Republican Army?
What a depressing story. Wickedness permeates every detail of it. I see no redeeming qualities in any actors involved. Sometimes it seems society is being dragged into an ever enlarging quick sand pit of depravity. Anyone who tries to offer solutions are viciously attacked, called vile names or are accused of being hateful.
Lake Worth wrote: '"Polyamorist Michael Philpott killed his children in pursuit of welfare benefits."

That appears as a subtitle. It is a false statement, assuming that the text of the article is reasonably accurate.'

I must have misread the article. Which part of the article disproves which element of the subhead?

While you are being so clever and erudire Islam is taking over your Country. Wake up.
Hang the SOB. It's too little, too late, but it would definitely solve any future problems he might want to perpetrate.
There seems to be a lot of jawboning in the above article and in the comments. One truth needs to be emphasized here. Had he been in jail, there would have been no murders. Mandatory life sentences should be the law in GB.
Lake worth - the story has a very Dickensian flavor. It's interesting you are interested in his mental health. One hundred years ago if a man drooled over a minor girl (or boy) we'd call him a dirty old man. Today, couched in psycothought we reach for deep Freudian impulses that seem to have a life of their own. The man beat, stabbed and exploited women and children (never mind burning them to death) and you seem more interested in analyzing what his psychological state. May be where our society has run off the rail.
What does Philpott tell us about the UK's Welfare System?
That's not the question, the question is what does it say about society in the UK in general that this monster was not incarcerated for the rest of his natural life when he stabbed his girl-friend, and her mother, when he was just 21?
Men are locked away for defending themselves, their families, and their property; and filth like Philpott are given generous State benefits that allow them to behave like monsters.
As an American, I am certainly saddened by the condition that "English" society has become; and can only thank the Heavens that my Irish (and other) fore-bearers decided to leave Europe behind, and cast their lot with this polyglot society of rebels.
Lake Worth, you write: "In the U.S. he would have been armed with guns."

Possibly, but not legally. He was a convicted felon and, thus, prohibited from possessing firearms under 18 U.S.C. 922(g) -- if not also state law -- punishable by ten years in Club Fed.
Philpott, as a convicted felon, would NOT HAVE BEEN "ARMED WITH GUNS" IN THE U.S.

But thank you for playing.
People like this will always exist and take advantage of situations; therefore some checks / time limits / common sense standards should be applied to welfare benefits as a safeguard.

Very few people have a problem with helping the truly needy, but cases like this drive home the fact that you can't just have a welfare state for everyone all the time, without cutoffs.

Eventually, either the public support or money will run out if there are no standards. WIth some standards, the programs might actually do some good and be able to last for 200+ more years.

This case is anomalous in a few ways, but I actually know people from large families where the "man" was on welfare and controlled the family. Those cases didn't end well, either (prison also). Welfare does enable egomaniac men to live like little kings on the backs of women. Or, it enables men to just walk away (or hang around in the background) and let women and the state raise their kids.
As one closely connected with the machinations of the criminal justice system, I have often mused at the fact that adultery as a crime is no more. The stats for disgruntled partners talking the law into their own hands would be staggering. Great article, good point.
"Polyamorist Michael Philpott killed his children in pursuit of welfare benefits."

That appears as a subtitle. It is a false statement, assuming that the text of the article is reasonably accurate.

I'd have been more interested to see information on this Michael Philpott's mental status. E.g., his intelligence level, social performance, and any mental disorders. Take on the problem scientifically, if you will. At the least his history matches to antisocial personality disorder -- the knives, for example.

In the U.S. he would have been armed with guns. To keep ATF from invading his home and taking his guns. And somebody thinks UK is crazy???

It's the very nature of sociopaths to exploit anything and everyone around them without the smallest amount of conscience. They slip through every system devised by mankind because they are so far from normal, just like Bernie Madoff did, another sociopath. To blame the system of capitalism for what Madoff did would be as silly as condemning welfare for what Philpott did.
The conservative governments, even under Thatcher do have some blame as well as Labour. Living in London in the 1980's to reduce building costs as lot of cash wages were paid in the building industry. It was known "surely", that a lot fo casual labourer paid in cash were also on the dole.

Also government wanted to make the unemployment situation look better than it was. The unemployed if they came off unemployment benefit, had a small reduction in payments, but didn't have to even pretend they wanted work. The government having given up on getting them to work, got a reduction in the unemployment figures ala economic miracle, growth and unemployment falling. No one looked at where long term sick were increasing.

The governments left and right, also defined employed every downwards to reduce the unemployed numbers. Working less than 16 hours was counted as unemployed, then 8 hours, then 4 and finally it is 1 hours per month paid or voluntary. If the original 1970's measure was used unemployment would be about 20-30% (see Shadow Economics website).

Fast forward to today, the population is ageing, tax revenues falling and costs of health increasing. Now the government wants to increase participation rates among these unemployed, and government encouraged "invalids".

I am a firm believer in employment and do think "the devil makes work for idle hands", especially when you are young and easy bored. That said also look at the full picture, governments almost encouraged young casual buildings to get dole and cash wages, in the 1980's and 1990's "housing booms" that got them voted in. (Left and right of politics).

Now it is time to get back to a real measure of unemployment anything less than 16 hours a week paid or voluntary work is unemployed. Anyone unemployed for more than 50 weeks goes on "workfare", either paid employment or voluntary work for charities, be it creche for other unemployed, delivering meals on wheels, working in charity shops or planting trees.

Introduce these measures and the likes of Phillpot are stopped, as after 50 weeks they are forced to work. Anyone genuinely unemployed will find no issue with paid or voluntary work, they get to select the voluntary work from a list approved by the government, if they can't find work. Transport is paid and a lunch and clothing allowance paid (as an incentive say - $10 a day of at least 4 hours in work, plus travel costs).

If there was compulsory voluntary work, I think a lot more Phillpots would turn up for the three interviews he was offered.

The West has an ageing population, social welfare is a must for a civilised society if is the obligation of the employed citizen to contribute. As it is the obligation of the unemployment citizen to provide at least half the normal working week in voluntary labour, if s/he can't find work, as payment for receiving that welfare.

I know I don't want any child to go hungry, but I also know I don't want to pay for any adult who is not prepared to work.

The passage makes perfect sense. The author notes that "reforms" had the effect of discouraging marriage and particularly had the effect of discouraging that aspect of marriage which gives people a degree of security against infidelity.

Without institutional and folkway protections, raw jealousy and its violent handmaidens come to the fore.

The "reforms" not only undercut the sexual exclusivity side of marriage. The economic reforms undercut the role of marriage as an economic partnership.

So we have "before", in which men and women united both to make babies and to make money, with a view to then raising the kids together and teaching them how it all works. And we have "after", in which serious bonds between men and women are discouraged or at any rate rendered superfluous.

No nation can carry on indefinitely with huge fraction of its population on easy street courtesy of the dole and half the rest wondering why they bother to get up and go to work.
"Moreover, the reformsfor example, discouraging marriage as a protective institution against mans feral naturewere generally promoted by those who also favored the indefinite expansion of the welfare state and judicial leniency."
Uhhh, what an absurd statement in need of an editor. Reforms discouraging marriage as a protective institution against mans feral nature - generally promoted by those who also favored the indefinite expansion of the welfare state and judicial leniency. The scoundrels! I guess they will get even with gay marriage.