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Ryan L. Cole
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City Journal is a bastion of unbiased, well researched, and thoughtful essays.Usually.

Mr. Cole's assertion that Old Abe set America on a Declaration of Independence honoring course is absurd. Saving the Union at all costs was and is tyranny - and the Great Emancipator's contribution to the sickening 'all powerful' nature of the US government today, cannot be overstated.

Even the greatest cheerleaders for our 16th president admit that he ignored the Constitution whenever convenient.

From John C. Calhoun:

Stripped of all its covering, the naked question is, whether ours is a federal or consolidated government; a constitutional or absolute one; a government resting solidly on the basis of the sovereignty of the States, or on the unrestrained will of a majority; a form of government, as in all other unlimited ones, in which injustice, violence, and force must ultimately prevail.

This quote could have been included in a denouncement of the "Great" one's administration.

1 pointless article full of ridiculous statements will not change my overall respect for City Journal - but I'll be watching...

http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/10/22/spielberg-lincoln-60-minutes/

@ 3:07, changing Dem names for some concocted reason or other 'protecting their descendants' as though we blame people for their great grandparents, well maybe in Spielberg-land we do so, why bother at all, why not just skip the roll call vote and blur the name calling, call the State and skip the name

btw, the political machinations were all lame-duck senators, who were now disconnected from their voters, thus democracy, elected officials betraying their voters, having been voted out by them, thus Speilberg 'democracy' - and no wonder he chose to delay the release until after the election

this was a terrible movie, for film values, it is claustrophobic, and lincoln is some post modernist fantasy of metrosexual mellow genial when he was probably a john wayne bruiser or lyndon johnson wheeler dealer warmonger, lincoln was physically imposing and a rail splitter and surely used his physical persona and presence for political purposes,

i almost walked out in the first 90 seconds, when some black soldiers complain about clothing allowances, when 600,000 americans died for (or against) their freedom from slavery

it is a good thing that we fought a war to emancipate black slaves, if that was our motivation, but not for gratitude, not when the beneficiaries complain of clothing discrimination

somewhere in an alternate universe we will have a movie about black slavers, and islamic slavers and black slaves and islamic slavers currently in africa

cinematically the film is claustrophobic, reminding me of much of the indoor-fixed camera Birth of a Nation, more homage to griffith, unintended i expect but i am not sure

there is one scene where sally fields plays mrs lincoln complaining of congressional oversight over her domestic budget, this happened, but of all the details to recreate....

in the end this was a feel-good movie for black people, sort of a black shindler's list for jewish people,

yawn

we forget that the young A. Lincoln was a lawyer for the railroads, which were the Halliburton of their day, and the war was fought as much for corporate nationalist interests as emancipation, indeed, emancipation might have been a scam for railroad nationalism, leading to the robber barons of the consolidated nation of the next half century, which would have been impeded by euro style balkan factionalism

there is some agita that lincoln bribed for votes, oh dear, let us not tell these agitated about santa clause or where babies come from
This is how Americans will remember Mr. Lincoln. The only thing I would change is to get more of the 2nd Inaugural in there somehow.

We owe a debt to Mr. Day-Lewis. Thank you, sir.
Spielberg is reclaiming American history. Taking it back from the fashionable cynics, the nitpickers and the detractors of things American. From the followers of Zinn, Beard, and every other detractor of the US. Uniting people in their common history, not endlessly trying to divide people.

Somewhere, somehow, he decided to do this: its no accident. And its terrific.

I was startled first by "Red Tails," his movie about the black USAAF pilots in WWII. At one scene when white pilots invite the black pilots into an officer's club, i flinched, waiting for the inevitable Hollywood depiction of the whites as racists, the blacks as victims and the US as again an inherently flawed country. It just had to come because without it no director would be fashionable. I almost turned away then to wait it out. But the scene was flawlessly done. I watched it again more than once.

I suspect he made RT to remind young people, especially blacks, that their ancestors are not the endless parade of downtrodden victims, but bona fide heroes, from the black freeman shot at the Boston Massacre, to the Tuskegee pilots; to now. That there was more to the past than the tired "you in a heap of trouble,boy," view of the US that has assaulted us all from Hollywood for decades. That blacks have a right to glory in the history of the US, and not as spectators. Our history.

In a time when the only thing a lot of kids seem to know about WWII is that the Japanese were interned here and A-bombed there, RT was a terrific production. Blacks have always been heroes, and always loyal to the US and its way past time for someone to have highlighted it like this. And he did.

Now he follows with Lincoln. Very watchable. Lincoln comes off very well.

I am waiting for the next one.

Taft, forget the artistic license of the slap. Its a movie that makes Lincoln come alive, and will do wonders for a restored sense of US history. (No I am not "in the movies", and no I am not black).But I am thrilled at what these movies mean for people under age 30.
That's why you should not believe anything out of Hollywood regarding anything to do with history.
I find it pathetic that a slander of President Lincoln (the slap that never happened) appears in the same film where Spielberg admits that he alters the historical accuracy of the film by changing the names of the Democrats who voted against the passage of the 13th Amendment (to protect the descendants of those voting No from having to deal with the embarrassment). Truly pathetic.
Did you see the movie yet?