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"Consider the incident, a few years back, where a snotty American youth was arrested for vandalising cars parked on the streets in Singapore, I believe it was. He was sentenced to caning, publically. The standard punishment for the locals was "cruel and unusual" for the Yank kid. America were in an uproar over it. WHAT? How cruel, unjust, etc."

I recall most Americans actually APPROVING of the punishment--leftists, "criminals-need-extra-hugs activitists," and Bill Clinton opposed it.
Philippe HERMKENS August 27, 2011 at 1:21 PM
Please. You have to send criminals in jail. But, New-York has 6 times more prisoners in jail than Belgium, whose I am a citizen.

So, it's a question not of so-called facts, but well from policy.

You break the law, you go to jail.

But, which policy ?

The so-called War against drugs ? A no-victim law ?



Yours truly,
What a novel idea - punish someone who commits a crime! Wait, didn't the British used to do that ages ago?
Steven Malanga should read fellow City Journal writers Theodore Dalrymple and Nicole Gelinas and add Bankers to spending time in the slammer to clean up The Street.
He who is trustworthy in the least, is trustworthy in much; he who is unjust in the least, is unjust in much. Luke 16:10

If one strives to be trustworthy in little things, he tends not even to consider larger crimes.
Paul from Montana August 20, 2011 at 11:07 AM
It is obvious that the British place the "rights" of criminals above all else.
They refuse to jail criminals and put in prison anyone who defends themselves.
They deserve to become extinct.
"It appears that US culture has more of an appetite for punishment than the UK and as a UK citizen, I'm quite happy with that. I walk around some the more challenging parts of London on a regular basis without incident."

What happens, DrFinlay, when the incident you've managed to avoid thus far finally arrives and the police and the courts offer you little more than tea and sympathy? I am sure the thugs involved will be deeply impressed by the slap on the wrist they will receive for violating your rights.
May I suggest trumpeting the observation about the DECLINE in incarceration - a definitely welcome outcome BUT ALSO ONE I NEVER BEFORE SAW EVEN MENTIONED.
We Brits must not stop the immigration from the Middle Eastern countries. That is how us Brits and the people can have peace. The immigrants need to come here and take advantage of our social entitlements so they can create a democracy whereby we can take over Britain, of course with the help of the Socialists who currently control GB. We will support them in the elections as long as we get the free pass on immigration and our entitlements. alla akbar
tomas alla GB
The Brits deserve to buried by Radical Islam.
They will submit and Islam under the tenents of Sharia will be take over all facets of life in this coward country.
tomas alla UK
What facts? A few selective (mis)quotes do not make a sensible argument and when you have to resort to quoting Theo Dalrymple, all is lost. Its a reality, whether you're a liberal or a conservative, that prison is only a short term solution and does not deal with the underlying issues - unless you are prepared to send minor offenders to prison for very long periods. It appears that US culture has more of an appetite for punishment than the UK and as a UK citizen, I'm quite happy with that. I walk around some the more challenging parts of London on a regular basis without incident. They seem less threatening to me than some of the project housing areas in New York that I have also had occasion to walk around. If I have to accept a serious crime rate, I would prefer London's over most large cities in the US.

In any case what is happening now in the aftermath of the riots that took place in some parts of England is that 1000s have been arrested and 100s are being sent to prison. Many of those convicted are being given disproportionately high sentences that reflect the anger of the wider community.
So in other words we in the UK should lock people up and upon their eventual release do exactly what with them?
Disarmament of the law-adbiding civil population will be seen as a very big mistake. Nothing will happen in Britain until there is a oomplete and total collapse of the current welfare state and then and only then will the survivors in their desperation turn to vigilante justie. Britain has seen this before. It was called the Fall of the Roman Empire.
You can always tell an Englishman, but you can't tell him much.
IT will be interesting to see what happens on NYC after 2013 when Blumberg leaves office. The pro criminal and corrupt democratic machine will probably be back in power and eager to stuff their pockets after being cut off for 20 years. The same thing happened after La Guardia left office.
Britain's reluctance to lock their offenders away in this age flies in the face of her past. Read Dickens, and other works of that era. Incredible numbers were locked away in hell-holes for petty crimes and offenses... often to languish there for years, their families on what little there was of the dole and poorhouses in that day. Many were "transported" to ease the population in Britain's prisons.
Consider the incident, a few years back, where a snotty American youth was arrested for vandalising cars parked on the streets in Singapore, I believe it was. He was sentenced to caning, publically. The standard punishment for the locals was "cruel and unusual" for the Yank kid. America were in an uproar over it. WHAT? How cruel, unjust, etc. Thing is, since Singaporeans faced a public caning whcn caught doing such things, they almost never did. The streets of Singapore are safe for anyone to walk, any hour of the day. Crimes against persons and property were all but unknown. People were industrious, went about at peace, and in general prospered.

But "enlightened" Britain, oh no, we can't be tossing vandals in the gaols, no, that would "offend" them. Well, lend an ear, you government softies: Ninety eight percent of Britons today hold the recent rantings and lunatic ravings of the mobs as offensive, and particularly so as law enforcement were proven powerless, and the common citizens were diarmed in 1997 "for public safety". How safe is the average city dweller in any of the involved cities? Not very, you say? At the whimsey of the rioters? YOU lot running the place have set this up for years, now its here, handwringing and looking for answers are the order of the day. The answers you have, but reject. Rearm the law abiding, end the welfare/nanny state charade you've got going there, and make use of the facilities have been built at taxpayer expense to deal with criminals.

And you lot got chuffed when a few Bostonians had had done with Your Majesty's tyrannical boot on our neck, and had a few chests of tea into the harbour.