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The day when seamen's wage differentials were a primary factor in persuading ships to flag foreign rather than American passed long ago. Since the 1980s or earlier, it's been the cost of environmental and safety regulations, not seamen's wage and benefits, that have mostly distinguished American-flagged from foreign-flagged vessels. That's a primary reason why not one of the big maritime pollution disasters has been caused by an American-flagged vessel or rig. The Deepwater Horizon (technically a "vessel") and Exxon Valdez were both foreign-flagged, even though the latter was American-owned. Again, conservatives (as opposed to libertarians) do not ignore "the commons," which include environmental resources, but recognize that they need protection. Fisheries management is one area where the market simply cannot be allowed to rip, or world fisheries would be quickly destroyed. When I sailed aboard merchant ships, we still routinely threw garbage bags overboard every day in mid-ocean, not to mention other pollutants. The countries whose low safety standards you say we should revert to are much worse. We can never go back to those days, nor should we want to. http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8800#62907 http://www.city-journal.org/comments/index.php?story=8800#62907 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 07:43:36 EST If the Jones Act were repealed, all U.S. shipbuilding capacity would quickly vanish to other, cheaper shores. We wouldn't have to worry about whether or not to call on foreign vessels for the next Deepwater Horizon, because that would be our only option. "Protectionist"? Sure. But the maritime industry has long been one of the world's most regulated, going back 200 years and more. 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